More on Mormonism – getting to the essential problem

Posted: February 18, 2007 by Daniel in Christianity, cults, get equipped

I don’t dislike Mormons (hey, I’ll even give the name a capital letter) but their teaching rejects the biblical gospel. I don’t want to keep going with this too much, but if you read the last post you will know that it is of interest to me due to an encounter yesterday. I did a little more research today and I found the sweetest article that I would love to share with you. It so elegantly comes the the essential problem that all Mormons must face. Here are a couple of short extracts – but PLEASE GO READ THE FULL ARTICLE!


The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints teaches that its members are to strive to be perfect… Very often Mormons will quote… 

“Therefore you are to be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect,” (Matt. 5:48).

Note it says to be perfect, not become perfect…  In addition, the book of Mormon says:

“For we labor diligently to write, to persuade our children, and also our brethren, to believe in Christ, and to be reconciled to God; for we know that it is by grace that we are saved, after all we can do,” (2 Nephi 25:23).

Note that it says they are saved by grace after all they can do.  This confirms the Mormon teaching of working very hard to be good, to do good works, and to attain to the highest level of exaltation….Spencer W. Kimball (a Mormon) said: “Being perfect means to triumph over sin”…This is not good news…the Bible says “through the Law comes the knowledge of sin,” (Rom. 3:20).  The Law, the commandments…condemns us by revealing our sinfulness.  And since anyone who keeps the Law must keep all of the Law, and since he cannot, He is only fit to be cast out into outer darkness for not being perfect!…Justification is the legal declaration by God where God declares the sinner righteous in His sight.  Notice that this justification is by faith, not by keeping the Law in any way;

  • Rom. 3:28-30, “For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law. 29Or is God the God of Jews only? Is He not the God of Gentiles also? Yes, of Gentiles also, 30since indeed God who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith is one.”
  • Rom. 4:5, “But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is reckoned as righteousness,”
  • Rom. 5:1, “therefore having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,”
  • Gal. 2:16, “nevertheless knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the Law but through faith in Christ Jesus, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we may be justified by faith in Christ, and not by the works of the Law; since by the works of the Law shall no flesh be justified.”

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  1. fool says:

    Here are some scriptures for you to ponder:

    1. Acts 7:55-56
    2. John 14:28
    3. Hebrews 5:8,9
    4. Luke 24: 39
    5. Acts 17:28-29
    6. Hebrews 12:9
    7. Romans 8:16 – 17
    8. 2 Peter 1:3 – 4
    9. 1 John 3:2
    10. Philippians 3:21
    11. Psalms 82:6
    12. John 10:34 – 35
    13. Romans 8:17
    14. Philippians 2:12
    15. James 2:24
    16. Matthew 19: 16-17
    17. 1 Peter 1:17
    18. Romans 2:6 – 8
    19. Matthew 24:13
    20. Revelation 21:7
    21. Revelation 3:21
    22. 2 Peter 1:5 – 10
    23. Matthew 5:48
    24. Revelation 7:15
    25. Malachi 3:1-2
    26. Isaiah 2:2
    27. Leviticus 11:19

    I’d like to have your explanation of the concepts contained therein.

    As a Latter-Day Saint, it is my contention that most Christian sects such as yours do not use the Bible at all, but what I term “Bible-Prime,” a subset of the Bible that most closely correlates with the Creeds that were established many decades after the true Church of Jesus Christ disappeared from the earth because of the disobedience of those who professed it.

    The fact is that “Mormons,” so-called, believe the ENTIRETY of the Holy Bible, recognizing that there are some errors in transmission existing in that work of scripture but confident that through the promptings of the Spirit, those studying the scriptures will come to understand what is correct and what (little) is not.

    I have found that, almost without exception, most “Christians” do not really know the Bible very well. How could they? It is not of any private interpretation, and only those who are given the gift of the Spirit in the established manner, by the laying on of hands by those who are in authority, may truly understand the Bible by the Spirit.

    With respect, most scriptural commentary by sectarian Christians, well-meaning though they may be, typically add nothing to my understanding of the Bible, because it is so full of misunderstanding and ignorance.

    I invite you to study the latter-day scriptures such as the Book of Mormon along with the Bible, and you may begin to catch a glimpse of truth.

  2. billphillips says:

    Fool,

    I agree that too many Christians don’t know the Bible. I’ve only talked to a few Mormons, but I’ve found that they don’t know the Bible either, and judging from your list of verses, it’s apparent that you don’t know the Bible either. Those verses, taken out of context, support your view well, but you have to rectify those verses with the paragraph you’ve taken them from and the entire Bible. I’m not surprised that Christian commentaries do you no good. You take your doctrines from 3 extra books that have nothing to do with the Bible, and you have to twist the Bible to fit your “prophets.”

    There is only one God. This doesn’t mean the gods are in agreement. It means one God in existence anywhere, anytime. Check out Isaiah 43:10. If you like I can provide dozens of other verses that say the same thing. This also means you and Joseph Smith can’t be gods.

    While we are created by God, we are children of the devil until we are born again into God’s family. Then we become God’s adopted children. Take a look at John 1:12-13, 8:44, 1 John 3:10, etc. One hint on biblical hermeneutics would be that the epistles are written to born again Christians–not everyone.

    Did you read the post? Matthew 5:48 says you have to be as perfect as Jesus to get to heaven. Have you been perfect? Have you lied, stolen, looked at someone with lust or had a hateful thought? God is a perfect judge and will account for every sin ever committed. You will not escape God’s justice. I am perfect. God sees me as though I’ve never sinned. Jesus is my only hope for heaven.

    Compare Galatians 3:10 with LDS Article 3. Galatians 3:10 says, “For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.” Article 3 says that all men can be saved through Jesus and keeping the laws. I hope you keep them perfectly, or you are under the curse (“under the curse” means going to hell/outer darkness). Also, take a look at Galatians 5:2-6, and instead of circumcision insert whatever ritual you practice in order to gain favor with God, such as baptism. If we get baptized in order to earn salvation, that is trying to bribe God, and bribery is a sin. We can’t be saved if we’re not trusting in Christ alone for our salvation.

    I know the Bible is true because it doesn’t have mistakes. The prophecies in it have come to pass. Archaeology and history verify the facts in it. The scientific principles in it are true. The overwhelming number of manuscripts support the accuracy of its translation. I don’t need a burning bosom to know it’s true. There is no evidence to support the Book of Mormon. The DNA of the Indians verify that they are 0% Jewish. The towns and geographical features are unknown. It is made up.

    The standard for a prophet is perfection (Deuteronomy 18:20-22). Does Joseph Smith meet this standard? Why after reading Doctrines and Covenants 84:2-5,31 don’t you leave the LDS church screaming?

    Thanks,
    Bill

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