Crazy Mormon fun

Posted: October 11, 2007 by Daniel in Christianity, evangelism, religions and beliefs, videos
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Josh Williamson has done a great job questioning a couple of elders. In any city you may find Mormon elders walking around. After listening to this you might feel more encouraged to share the gift of the gospel with them. Listen carefully to each question and response. The interview is in 3 parts and goes for approximately 26min.

Part 1/3

Part 2/3

Part 3/3


NOTE: I don’t want to get into a general head banging conversation with an LDS member on this blog – LDS doctrine is so incredibly unbiblical. I would, however, welcome discussion with LDS guys on the fundamental point picked up in video 2 and 3: Has God called us to be saved by faith alone or faith plus works?

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Comments
  1. William Rennick says:

    Wow, you have amazing tact.

    James 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

    Your cult must be incredibly unbiblical. Why don’t you go burn some crosses?

  2. Hi William.

    Thanks for starting the cascade of LDS chat.

    I hope you have watched the 3 videos before you made your comment. If you have not, please do so now.

    First problem William – what sort of faith is James talking about? Stop yourself from jumping to v20 and contextualise that verse in the whole message of James. If you are humble enough to do so it would be great to read the first 2 chapters together. I hope that, through the grace of God, it will become clear to you that James is discussing LIVING Faith in contrast to DEAD Faith. So the issue is not about faith vs works but dead faith vs living faith. It is also clear in James that works do not make our faith alive but instead are due to God working in the new believer.

    In contrast to your claims – my faith is founded on the bible alone. I assume you are referring to bigotry? The bible makes exclusive claims. But you are right in saying that I displayed no tact in the note about the unbiblical doctrine of LDS. I have had at least 3 good goes at talking with LDS members an it is always quite painful. In that comment I have displayed my sense of pointlessness in talking to LDS. Perhaps this was wrong of me, there could be someone who is on the LDS fringe and it could be helpful for them to hear a biblical response.

  3. Just in relation to this post, I found an article on Mormon persecution at Reformed Evangelist which is also associated with a series that they have been doing on this topic entitled, Our Mormon Brothers?

  4. Mormons believe that authentic Christianity vanished a century after Jesus and was restored only through Joseph Smith. Considered a prophet by Mormons, Smith revised— and in his view corrected— large sections of the Bible in the 19th century. The Mormon scriptures include the Old and New Testaments, but also include books containing Smith’s revelations.

  5. Thanks,

    I was aware that was how Mormonism started.

    I had a look at the link you provided – i guess you have and investement of your life in Mormonism because you prized a quote from Smith on your blog.

    hmmm.

    I said I didn’t want to head bang with Mormons on this post so I won’t.

    Can a Mormon please challenge my (above stated) view of what Scripture teaches about the role of faith and works?

  6. INTERESTING OBSERVATION: If you ever get a chance to help out a Christian Evangelist who witnesses to the Mormons, notice how Mormons will immediately flip over any tract you give them. Why? They’re looking for the official Mormon church logo on the back to see if what you gave them is “church approved” and okay to read.

  7. Angela says:

    That is interesting… Can’t say I’m surprised though.

  8. anon says:

    actually

    mormons believe that you are saved by faith alone
    but, just like anything else, it depends on the definition.
    mormons believe that ‘saved’ means resurrected, which is part of why jesus died.

    Mt 25:31-44– At the Last Judgement, the Lord judges the sheep and the goats based on what they have done.

    “For he will render to every man according to his works” (Rm 2:6)

    There will be tribulation and distress for every human being who does evil, the Jew first and also the Greek, but glory and honor and peace for every one who does good, the Jew first and also the Greek. For God shows no partiality. (Rm 2:11)

    You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone. (James 2:24)

    And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Also another book was opened, which is the book of life. And the dead were judged by what was written in the books, by what they had done. (Rev 20:12)

    Jesus on the cross says,”forgive them father. for they know not what they do.” why would he say that if it didn’t matter what they did.

    Its not whether you’re ‘saved’ by faith alone or not. Its the fact that mormons have a diffrent defintion of saved.

    And by the way, those are the worst elders I’ve ever seen. Also, it seems unfair that the one was obviously from some african american country, and probobly barely learned english.

    lets go 🙂

  9. Chad Nordenstrom says:

    Looks like anon settled that up pretty good! ***laff***

    Question: What kind of Christian runs around bullying young missiomaries of Christ? This guy is pathetic and I wouls be ashamed to be affiliated with him, Mormon or not! Obviously the answer is super simple. I do not even see nedd for debate. If you are a true Christian then you will have done many good deeds. Period!

  10. Daniel says:

    Hi Chad

    Yes, that is right – a true Christian will do ‘good deeds’. But you need to clarify what you are saying – you cant get away with saying its super simple: do you mean that bing a true Christian (ie. saved) by their good deeds? Many non-Christians do ‘on par deeds’ or ‘better deeds’ than true Christians.

    Byllying?? I dont think that the Christian guy intimidated, harrassed, degraded or threatened the 2 trained mormon missionaries.

    And in reference to anon – so mormons teach universalism – everyon is saved; becasue everyon is resurected (if you think saved = resurected). No the bible is very clear that not all are saved. There is a clear distinction in the bible from begining to end – the righteous and the unrighteous; the godly and the ungodly; the sheep and the goats; etc.

    Everyon is guilty before the one true God who has revealed himself to us through his word, the bible. It is possible to handle God’s word incorrectly, by teaching topically, not expositionally and by making assumptions about the meaning of a particular verse, not taking the effort to see how that verse is situated in the context of the chapter, book, covenant, etc. It is not just this that is the problem. The bible explains the real problem as this:

    2Co 4:3 And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled only to those who are perishing.
    2Co 4:4 In their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.
    2Co 4:5 For what we proclaim is not ourselves, but Jesus Christ as Lord, with ourselves as your servants for Jesus’ sake.
    2Co 4:6 For God, who said, “Let light shine out of darkness,” has shone in our hearts to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.

    Im glad that Anon admits that Mormonism is not in agreement with biblical Christianity.

  11. Steffan says:

    I am not an adult but yet a youth. A young man, but still I can testify of the Mormon religion.

    Daniel- It is our belief that all persons who are sent to Earth will be saved. There will be different levels of being saved but everyone will be and will be reunited with family in the next life. In contrast, there are people who are not saved, but they were not even sent to Earth. They followed Satan in the fall. Satan disagreed about free agency and 1/3 of the spirits followed. They were sent into outer-darkness with Satan. No Earth-sent person who obtained a physical body will be sent down with them.

    Again, this is our belief and you have your own. Mormons as a group has respected all others but we are persecuted by many. Please do the same to us as we do to you, respect.

  12. Charles says:

    Steffan, the majority of the LDS people would not know what mutual respect means, as your adventure novel, the Book Of Mormon describes all other churches as “apostate”. How arrogant to think the LDS church is the only church, when it is based upon fraud. Joey found the imaginary gold tablets bound in book form. These would weigh apx 450 lbs according to the dimensions given by Joey. Amazing that this sickly boy could move this assembled and complete set of gold tablets at one time by himself! There are many 1/2 truths in this popular adventure novel. The morality encouraged in the BoM is all good and well, but the foundation is whack!. Did you know that Sr. Smith was a fan of the writings of Capt Cook? He wrote tales of his adventures in the South Pacific, mentioning the Komorous Islands, the capital city being Moroni? Does this start to look suspect to you yet? There are dig sites where the Smiths were looking for buried treasure in N.Y. And they never found a thing. And there has yet to be found any artifacts proving the existence of the Lamanites or Nephites. They supposedly had rode horses into battle and slew each other with swords. Interesting, since horses were introduced to the American continent by the Spanierds in the 1600s. Also, metelurgy was not on this continent yet either. No land mass or body of water described in the BoM exists either.
    However the tribes described in the Bible have left artifacts to be found, land masses and bodies of water described in the Bible are found. Use caution sir, and don’t drink the KoolAid.

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